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The Pink Floyd... 2 00:00:07,928 --> 00:00:10,062 3 00:00:10,097 --> 00:00:12,998 4 00:00:14,877 --> 00:00:18,732 In 2005, four distinguished rock musicians 5 00:00:18,767 --> 00:00:23,932 performed together for the first time in 25 years at Live 8. 6 00:00:26,317 --> 00:00:32,017 For a precious 20 minutes, they were all once again the legendary Pink Floyd, 7 00:00:32,052 --> 00:00:36,056 a band that has spanned 40 years, pioneering everything 8 00:00:36,091 --> 00:00:40,014 from underground rock to the stadium extravaganza. 9 00:00:40,049 --> 00:00:43,892 A band that has survived tragedy, shunned celebrity 10 00:00:43,927 --> 00:00:49,183 and wrestled publicly with both its success and its audience. 11 00:00:52,547 --> 00:00:59,077 There have been five men in Pink Floyd and three of them have led the band in different decades. 12 00:00:59,112 --> 00:01:02,958 That's why the question still remains, which one's Pink? 13 00:01:12,957 --> 00:01:15,532 London, 1965. 14 00:01:15,567 --> 00:01:17,822 British pop music rules the world. 15 00:01:17,857 --> 00:01:23,534 Clubs are throbbing with electric guitars, pounding drums and would-be rock'n'roll stars. 16 00:01:24,817 --> 00:01:29,254 Three middle-class students, Rick Wright, Roger Waters and Nick Mason 17 00:01:29,289 --> 00:01:33,062 were studying architecture at the Regent Street Polytechnic. 18 00:01:33,097 --> 00:01:38,353 They formed a band and dreamed of escaping the profession they seemed destined to inhabit. 19 00:01:40,927 --> 00:01:47,025 The group went through several permutations and names, including The Tea Set and Sigma 6, 20 00:01:47,060 --> 00:01:51,898 performing standard cover versions of American and British rhythm and blues. 21 00:01:51,933 --> 00:01:54,139 They were going nowhere. 22 00:02:02,437 --> 00:02:07,227 A childhood friend of Roger Waters since their schooldays together in Cambridge 23 00:02:07,262 --> 00:02:09,663 drifted down to London to study painting. 24 00:02:10,687 --> 00:02:13,087 His name was Syd Barrett. 25 00:02:14,017 --> 00:02:20,445 He joined Sigma 6, renamed the band The Pink Floyd Sound, and promptly became its front man. 26 00:02:21,517 --> 00:02:26,368 Syd sort of lived like he walked. He walked with a bounce. 27 00:02:26,403 --> 00:02:31,220 He came up on his toes so every step he took was like a pop. 28 00:02:31,255 --> 00:02:34,550 He had a lot of sort of Tigger in him. 29 00:02:36,517 --> 00:02:40,078 He was, as everyone says, bubbly, very attractive, 30 00:02:40,113 --> 00:02:42,614 everyone wanted to be his friend. 31 00:02:46,457 --> 00:02:49,927 Barrett was a highly original writer and musician. 32 00:02:50,997 --> 00:02:55,042 His songs had a quirky, British, pastoral edge 33 00:02:55,077 --> 00:02:59,769 and his guitar playing led the band into extended sonic explorations. 34 00:02:59,804 --> 00:03:04,422 He would do things on the guitar that no-one would ever dream of doing. 35 00:03:04,457 --> 00:03:11,727 Which influenced me and made me do things on the keyboards I wouldn't... people hadn't done before. 36 00:03:12,797 --> 00:03:19,407 Technically, no, not so brilliant, but, for me, the technique is not important. 37 00:03:19,442 --> 00:03:24,288 It's the originality, and he was one of the originals. 38 00:03:28,077 --> 00:03:32,776 It is a curious thing that people can go into the music business 39 00:03:32,811 --> 00:03:35,172 with little technical ability, 40 00:03:35,207 --> 00:03:39,062 but absolute determination to show off at all costs. 41 00:03:39,097 --> 00:03:44,023 If you can actually play, it's very hard not to copy other things that you hear... 42 00:03:45,937 --> 00:03:49,737 ...but we couldn't copy anything because we couldn't, you know. 43 00:03:53,387 --> 00:03:56,072 Rick was the only one who went to music school. 44 00:03:56,107 --> 00:03:59,725 Rick was the one who would always help out in arrangements. 45 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,070 He was the one who used to tune Roger's bass. 46 00:04:03,105 --> 00:04:06,380 MUSIC: "Interstellar Overdrive" by Pink Floyd 47 00:04:12,847 --> 00:04:19,904 Now simply called Pink Floyd, the band found itself at the epicentre of London's underground explosion, 48 00:04:19,939 --> 00:04:26,468 playing a unique mix of original, melodic pop and freak-out music at clubs such as UFO and Middle Earth. 49 00:04:26,503 --> 00:04:32,998 Overnight, they became the house band of the underground movement, taking their audiences on a trip. 50 00:04:35,107 --> 00:04:37,663 One of the things that sets them apart is, 51 00:04:37,698 --> 00:04:41,142 so many other bands are based around blues. 52 00:04:41,177 --> 00:04:44,586 They had this avant-garde approach to... 53 00:04:44,621 --> 00:04:48,102 the long instrumental passages, 54 00:04:48,137 --> 00:04:54,053 but they always started from a brilliant pop song by Syd. 55 00:04:55,457 --> 00:05:02,872 Tinkling and bashing and scraping and making the instruments make whatever noises they would. 56 00:05:02,907 --> 00:05:09,938 After we'd be doing that for, like, ten minutes, we'd play the riff twice more and that was the end. 57 00:05:11,387 --> 00:05:18,429 You still had a tune, a song, and then you'd have an improvised bit, then you'd have a tune and a song. 58 00:05:18,464 --> 00:05:21,656 It was radical. It was very radical. 59 00:05:21,691 --> 00:05:25,846 MUSIC: "Arnold Layne" by Pink Floyd 60 00:05:25,881 --> 00:05:30,001 61 00:05:33,277 --> 00:05:36,062 62 00:05:36,097 --> 00:05:40,244 63 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,352 64 00:05:44,387 --> 00:05:49,086 Arnold Layne, an everyday tale of a man stealing women's underwear from washing lines, 65 00:05:49,121 --> 00:05:52,968 was the first of Barrett's original songs to be recorded as a demo. 66 00:05:53,003 --> 00:05:57,242 Produced by Joe Boyd, it was touted around several companies 67 00:05:57,277 --> 00:06:02,249 before The Beatles' label, EMI, signed the band in February 1967. 68 00:06:11,857 --> 00:06:16,783 From the start, the Floyd were determined to do things their way. 69 00:06:19,687 --> 00:06:25,603 As college boys, they were already wary of the pop business and its old-school managers. 70 00:06:27,377 --> 00:06:30,482 We were always very distrustful of that whole scene. 71 00:06:30,517 --> 00:06:34,499 It was very kind of East End, camel-hair coats, you know. 72 00:06:34,534 --> 00:06:37,933 "Stick with me, son, you'll be all right," 73 00:06:37,968 --> 00:06:41,402 and we were very wary of all that. 74 00:06:41,437 --> 00:06:47,717 I think what was so different then to now is they'd sign almost anything with long hair. 75 00:06:47,752 --> 00:06:51,342 If it turned out to be a golden retriever, so what? 76 00:06:51,377 --> 00:06:57,577 "We've signed you as a pop band. Now make albums. Lots of three-minute singles," 77 00:06:57,612 --> 00:06:59,717 and we said, "No way!" 78 00:07:00,797 --> 00:07:05,488 We're talking about a world where Sergeant Pepper hadn't been released. 79 00:07:05,523 --> 00:07:10,180 Almost overnight, it switched from being hit singles to being albums. 80 00:07:10,215 --> 00:07:12,532 MUSIC: Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite by The Beatles 81 00:07:12,567 --> 00:07:18,142 In early '67, The Beatles were recording Sergeant Pepper at London's Abbey Road Studios. 82 00:07:21,427 --> 00:07:25,092 In February, the Floyd arrived at the same studios 83 00:07:25,127 --> 00:07:30,850 to record their equally momentous first album, The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn. 84 00:07:30,885 --> 00:07:35,122 85 00:07:35,157 --> 00:07:38,957 This was the Summer of Love. Everything was possible. 86 00:07:43,597 --> 00:07:49,741 EMI appointed The Beatles' engineer, Norman Smith, as the Floyd's producer. 87 00:07:50,717 --> 00:07:53,032 I know he had a struggle with Syd 88 00:07:53,067 --> 00:07:58,462 because Syd would come in with his extraordinary songs and Norman would say, "That's great, 89 00:07:58,497 --> 00:08:03,890 "but we've got to put some form to it. We've got to get it into time." Syd would say, "Yes, OK," 90 00:08:03,925 --> 00:08:06,708 and then go out and play it a different way. 91 00:08:10,177 --> 00:08:15,103 The Floyd were determined to exploit everything Smith and Abbey Road could offer, 92 00:08:15,138 --> 00:08:19,363 experimenting with new sounds and recording techniques. 93 00:08:19,398 --> 00:08:22,326 We had a tape running around microphone stands 94 00:08:22,361 --> 00:08:24,532 all the way around the control room, 95 00:08:24,567 --> 00:08:28,982 so we could get a very slow delay. It ran through three tape recorders. 96 00:08:29,017 --> 00:08:35,069 One of the advantages of Abbey Road was that there was a lot of old sort of stuff lying around. 97 00:08:35,104 --> 00:08:39,333 They probably had a spinet or a clavichord or things like that. 98 00:08:42,937 --> 00:08:47,172 While the Floyd tinkered away recording Syd's fairy tale songs 99 00:08:47,207 --> 00:08:52,975 and the studio version of the sonic improvisations they were playing in the underground clubs, 100 00:08:53,010 --> 00:08:57,666 producer Norman Smith struggled to get another single out of Barrett. 101 00:09:04,357 --> 00:09:09,482 The band eventually decamped here, Sound Techniques in west London 102 00:09:09,517 --> 00:09:15,001 where Joe Boyd had produced Arnold Layne, to record what would become their first big hit. 103 00:09:15,036 --> 00:09:17,488 MUSIC: "See Emily Play" by Pink Floyd 104 00:09:17,523 --> 00:09:20,297 105 00:09:22,027 --> 00:09:27,852 somebody's dreams till tomorrow 106 00:09:27,887 --> 00:09:31,322 107 00:09:31,357 --> 00:09:36,897 Barrett invited an old friend and musician from Cambridge to come to the recording sessions. 108 00:09:36,932 --> 00:09:41,392 Guitarist and singer David Gilmour was shocked by what he found. 109 00:09:42,427 --> 00:09:46,462 In the flesh, he was a little bit strange, glazed eyes. 110 00:09:46,497 --> 00:09:52,936 For me, having not seen him for a while, it was quite alarming to see him like that. 111 00:09:52,971 --> 00:09:56,962 I didn't know how alarming, or how alarmed I should be, 112 00:09:56,997 --> 00:10:02,162 or how permanent that sort of thing was or whether that was just a moment. 113 00:10:02,197 --> 00:10:05,115 You don't really think about it. 114 00:10:06,137 --> 00:10:09,622 Barrett was becoming increasingly erratic. 115 00:10:09,657 --> 00:10:13,562 He was taking too many drugs and didn't like the limelight. 116 00:10:13,597 --> 00:10:20,070 When his song See Emily Play climbed into the Top Ten, the cracks began to appear. 117 00:10:22,547 --> 00:10:26,352 I think we did a lot more pop shows and ballrooms, 118 00:10:26,387 --> 00:10:32,212 and I think that was probably a bit more difficult for them. That was probably difficult for Syd. 119 00:10:32,247 --> 00:10:34,182 Syd didn't want to play. 120 00:10:34,217 --> 00:10:39,242 I was particularly feeling quite the same. I didn't want to really play it. 121 00:10:39,277 --> 00:10:45,887 I don't think any of the band wanted to play it. So it pissed the audiences off a lot. 122 00:10:45,922 --> 00:10:49,323 We had a few beer bottles and stuff thrown at us. 123 00:10:52,597 --> 00:10:57,569 These shows were a million miles away from Pink Floyd's underground home base 124 00:10:57,604 --> 00:11:01,219 where the band, like its audience, was lost in the light show. 125 00:11:09,797 --> 00:11:14,860 They were deliberately devoid of personality. 126 00:11:14,895 --> 00:11:16,842 They didn't talk much. 127 00:11:16,877 --> 00:11:21,337 You know, the fact they were covered with these lights all the time. 128 00:11:23,817 --> 00:11:27,672 They'd all study their instruments. Nobody looked out. 129 00:11:27,707 --> 00:11:33,521 "Are you having a good time? Yeah! Clap your hands!" All that stuff. We'd never done that. 130 00:11:33,556 --> 00:11:37,246 In fact, we did like to hide behind the lights. 131 00:11:37,281 --> 00:11:40,937 And it became a kind of, "Who are these people?" 132 00:11:41,997 --> 00:11:47,685 My memory of seeing them is walking round the stage trying to work out where the noise came from. 133 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,613 What Rick and Syd played were very well-blended together. 134 00:11:55,497 --> 00:12:01,367 When Barrett emerged from the shadows and into the studio lights of Top Of The Pops, 135 00:12:01,402 --> 00:12:02,995 he went into meltdown. 136 00:12:05,187 --> 00:12:09,942 The second week that we went in, Syd was very disgruntled and he started saying, 137 00:12:09,977 --> 00:12:14,361 "Why should I have to do this? John Lennon doesn't have to do this." 138 00:12:14,396 --> 00:12:18,864 I was looking at him, going, "What the fuck are you talking about? 139 00:12:18,899 --> 00:12:23,292 "This is it! This is what we've worked all these years to achieve. 140 00:12:23,327 --> 00:12:30,028 "This is the sort of pinnacle of success. And you don't want to do it? You're mad!" 141 00:12:30,063 --> 00:12:33,602 Of course, he WAS mad, but that wasn't the point. 142 00:12:33,637 --> 00:12:38,586 It was a really clear indication... I was really shocked. 143 00:12:39,597 --> 00:12:43,249 Syd was suddenly starting to get recognised, 144 00:12:43,284 --> 00:12:47,012 and he would be a scrumptious pop idol. 145 00:12:47,047 --> 00:12:51,562 Maybe he thought, "Do I really want this life? Is this what I want?" 146 00:12:51,597 --> 00:12:57,832 Maybe that's what was coming out unconsciously then in all the wacky behaviour. 147 00:12:57,867 --> 00:13:02,071 Was all the wacky behaviour a rejection of becoming a pop star? 148 00:13:02,106 --> 00:13:06,297 One day we were going off to do a gig and we went to pick him up 149 00:13:06,332 --> 00:13:10,611 and he jumped into the car and he was wearing a frock, you know. 150 00:13:10,646 --> 00:13:14,852 I said, "What are you doing, Syd?" He said, "I'm a homosexual," 151 00:13:14,887 --> 00:13:20,712 and he went through this whole thing where he pretended to be gay for days on end. 152 00:13:25,767 --> 00:13:29,292 The Floyd was losing not only its leader, 153 00:13:29,327 --> 00:13:34,492 but also the writer responsible for much of its original material and hit singles. 154 00:13:35,517 --> 00:13:39,977 So we took a very positive view and we all went, " Agh! 155 00:13:40,012 --> 00:13:42,042 "Don't show me!" 156 00:13:42,077 --> 00:13:46,542 You know, it was denial at the ultimate level, really. 157 00:13:46,577 --> 00:13:51,422 I mean, Roger had a theory he was a schizophrenic. I don't think he was. 158 00:13:51,457 --> 00:13:57,464 But I'm still convinced he took a huge overdose of acid and destroyed his brain cells. 159 00:13:57,499 --> 00:14:02,895 He went to see Ronnie Lang and he said, "There's nothing we can do for him." 160 00:14:04,487 --> 00:14:08,617 Physically, the brain has actually been destroyed. 161 00:14:11,567 --> 00:14:13,637 So, very sad. 162 00:14:19,577 --> 00:14:25,527 No amount of English reserve could mask the fact that Barrett was now an acid casualty, 163 00:14:25,562 --> 00:14:27,932 virtually unable to perform. 164 00:14:27,967 --> 00:14:32,482 The other band members called a crisis meeting 165 00:14:32,517 --> 00:14:36,931 with managers Peter Jenner, Andrew King and Bryan Morrison. 166 00:14:39,077 --> 00:14:44,800 Peter Jenner and Andrew King were convinced that without Syd, there was no Pink Floyd. 167 00:14:44,835 --> 00:14:49,211 "You know, you solve this problem or you go back to being an architect. 168 00:14:49,246 --> 00:14:51,835 "If you don't solve this problem, it's over!" 169 00:14:51,870 --> 00:14:54,182 Panic! Panic! 170 00:14:54,217 --> 00:14:56,812 And terrible concern 171 00:14:56,847 --> 00:15:03,127 because it was also... It was a mixture of a business panic because we needed another single - 172 00:15:03,162 --> 00:15:05,709 "Syd, please, can you write another single?" 173 00:15:06,737 --> 00:15:11,197 Syd didn't know what he thought. "No, Syd's got an idea." "Really? What is it?" 174 00:15:11,232 --> 00:15:15,180 "Syd thinks you should hire two girl saxophone players," 175 00:15:15,215 --> 00:15:17,714 and that was it, I think. 176 00:15:17,749 --> 00:15:20,938 "Oh! Well... No!" 177 00:15:22,157 --> 00:15:24,842 You know. No. 178 00:15:24,877 --> 00:15:29,062 Bryan Morrison, who was a barrow boy, said, "The name's Pink Floyd. 179 00:15:29,097 --> 00:15:34,683 "As long as we put out the Pink Floyd, no-one's going to know the difference. Which one of you is Syd?" 180 00:15:39,547 --> 00:15:46,020 It was Barratt's old Cambridge friend, David Gilmour, who was asked by the band to join Pink Floyd. 181 00:15:50,847 --> 00:15:56,467 When you're all young, thrusting, ambitious people in your early 20s, 182 00:15:56,502 --> 00:16:00,688 you have a brutality about the things you do 183 00:16:00,723 --> 00:16:02,342 that... 184 00:16:02,377 --> 00:16:08,612 you know, your ambition is driving you forward without much care for other people's feelings, to be frank. 185 00:16:08,647 --> 00:16:13,112 And you have plenty of time to feel guilty later. 186 00:16:16,997 --> 00:16:20,672 As 1967 gave way to 1968, 187 00:16:20,707 --> 00:16:27,363 Syd Barrett gave way to David Gilmour as Pink Floyd passed through a brief five-member transition. 188 00:16:36,827 --> 00:16:42,550 I think it was odd for David, it was odd for Syd, and the rest of us were a bit embarrassed about it. 189 00:16:42,585 --> 00:16:46,529 We nearly said something, that's how bad it was! 190 00:16:46,564 --> 00:16:49,596 I think it was difficult for David 191 00:16:49,631 --> 00:16:52,592 because when he came into the band, 192 00:16:52,627 --> 00:16:58,076 I think his role was to try and play Syd's guitar parts. 193 00:16:58,111 --> 00:17:01,274 194 00:17:01,309 --> 00:17:04,352 195 00:17:04,387 --> 00:17:07,352 196 00:17:07,387 --> 00:17:09,932 197 00:17:09,967 --> 00:17:12,936 It was his band. It was him and about him. 198 00:17:18,827 --> 00:17:23,469 I think I coped with it OK. There were moments of feeling lost on stage, 199 00:17:23,504 --> 00:17:27,792 and not knowing what the hell was going on around me. 200 00:17:27,827 --> 00:17:31,490 I did spend some of my time with my back to the audience... 201 00:17:31,525 --> 00:17:36,277 sort of sliding mic-stand legs up the guitar, 202 00:17:36,312 --> 00:17:38,532 making weird noises, 203 00:17:38,567 --> 00:17:41,380 feeling rather embarrassed. 204 00:17:41,415 --> 00:17:44,152 That's not all the time. 205 00:17:44,187 --> 00:17:47,342 Quite a bit of the time it really worked and gelled 206 00:17:47,377 --> 00:17:52,019 and you started thinking, "Yeah, I'm getting what we're on about here." 207 00:17:53,887 --> 00:17:59,996 The band was now recording that difficult second album, A Saucerful Of Secrets. 208 00:18:02,607 --> 00:18:04,962 Some of the tracks were already recorded - 209 00:18:04,997 --> 00:18:09,036 I think, Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun, which was 210 00:18:09,071 --> 00:18:12,884 Roger's first real moment of glory, 211 00:18:12,919 --> 00:18:14,572 was already pretty well done. 212 00:18:14,607 --> 00:18:19,397 I think there's a guitar on there that Syd did and a bit of guitar that I did. 213 00:18:19,432 --> 00:18:23,801 I think that's the only moment we share on the track. 214 00:18:23,836 --> 00:18:26,292 turns around... 215 00:18:26,327 --> 00:18:30,127 One of the things that worked quite well was very rhythmic moments. 216 00:18:30,162 --> 00:18:34,393 and dawn 217 00:18:37,627 --> 00:18:41,392 in yearning... 218 00:18:41,427 --> 00:18:45,932 We did break some new ground by allowing the music to drop down, 219 00:18:45,967 --> 00:18:53,277 drop away and become this more... ethereal spacey music. 220 00:18:59,607 --> 00:19:02,712 It was deep space that now attracted the Floyd's attention, 221 00:19:02,747 --> 00:19:08,102 as it did countless millions of other hopefuls worldwide in 1969. 222 00:19:08,137 --> 00:19:14,576 'The world's TV audience, 600 million people this afternoon watched the Apollo 11 spacecraft 223 00:19:14,611 --> 00:19:18,372 'launched into a perfect blue sky above Cape Kennedy in Florida.' 224 00:19:18,407 --> 00:19:25,392 As the first men walked on the moon, Pink Floyd played along with the TV pictures for the BBC. 225 00:19:28,817 --> 00:19:33,777 We were there in the studio playing live while people were walking on the moon. 226 00:19:40,817 --> 00:19:43,872 I can't quite imagine it today, 227 00:19:43,907 --> 00:19:51,643 that behind a programme they'd have a pop group making up a jam live in the studio 228 00:19:51,678 --> 00:19:53,890 while that was going on. 229 00:19:53,925 --> 00:19:56,102 Ha! Those were the days! 230 00:20:06,597 --> 00:20:10,351 'Aircraft reports a visual with three chutes... ' 231 00:20:10,386 --> 00:20:12,512 When the Floyd returned to Earth, 232 00:20:12,547 --> 00:20:17,758 they discovered that producing singles without Barrett was Mission Impossible. 233 00:20:20,327 --> 00:20:23,102 We all tried to write singles. 234 00:20:23,137 --> 00:20:25,389 Point Me At The Sky was one notable failure. 235 00:20:25,424 --> 00:20:30,131 MUSIC: "Point Me At The Sky" 236 00:20:35,687 --> 00:20:38,232 We couldn't do it. 237 00:20:38,267 --> 00:20:43,284 Eventually we just gave up and went, "We can't do that - what can we do?" 238 00:20:43,319 --> 00:20:46,144 "We'll do long things, then." 239 00:20:51,857 --> 00:20:56,317 MUSIC: "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" 240 00:21:02,127 --> 00:21:05,422 Careful With That Axe, Eugene announced a Floyd of extended, 241 00:21:05,457 --> 00:21:12,215 rock-driven soundscapes and implied narratives. A kind of space rock made by an unidentified crew, 242 00:21:12,250 --> 00:21:16,098 now journeying without a captain. 243 00:21:22,657 --> 00:21:25,572 We were fantastically insular. 244 00:21:25,607 --> 00:21:32,080 We didn't really want to be influenced by other people and things that were going on. 245 00:21:32,115 --> 00:21:36,059 We were fiercely independent of what we were doing. 246 00:21:40,137 --> 00:21:45,018 We did learn a lot about improvising and about listening to what other people were doing, 247 00:21:45,053 --> 00:21:49,147 and picking up an idea and developing it. 248 00:22:15,957 --> 00:22:19,012 This was the age of experimentation 249 00:22:19,047 --> 00:22:23,461 and difficult music of prepared pianos and classical pretensions, 250 00:22:23,496 --> 00:22:28,417 saucepans full of secrets, all of which the Floyd embraced. 251 00:22:28,452 --> 00:22:33,252 A lot of the time it would just be like plonky noises. 252 00:22:35,737 --> 00:22:38,232 We'd be searching for something and it didn't work. 253 00:22:38,267 --> 00:22:43,482 Ultimately, to me personally, it became rather unsatisfying. 254 00:22:43,517 --> 00:22:48,728 I think it was Roger who said, "Let's make an album without using any of our instruments." 255 00:22:48,763 --> 00:22:50,982 "Use household objects." 256 00:22:51,017 --> 00:22:56,228 So we spent days getting a pencil and a rubber band till it sounded like a bass. 257 00:22:56,263 --> 00:22:59,372 We spent weeks doing this. 258 00:22:59,407 --> 00:23:07,143 Nick would find saucepans and stuff, then deaden them to make them sound like a snare drum. 259 00:23:07,178 --> 00:23:11,028 I remember saying to Roger, "This is insane." 260 00:23:11,063 --> 00:23:14,224 MUSIC: "Atom Heart Mother" 261 00:23:22,237 --> 00:23:27,391 Atom Heart Mother was the Floyd's most ambitious experiment yet, 262 00:23:27,426 --> 00:23:31,244 a rock suite incorporating a brass band and choir. 263 00:23:33,577 --> 00:23:37,138 MUSIC: "Atom Heart Mother" 264 00:23:41,487 --> 00:23:45,712 The musicians didn't give a shit. It was basically a brass band. 265 00:23:45,747 --> 00:23:50,605 They didn't give a shit. They just wanted to have their beer and get pissed. It was very weird. 266 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,772 Atom Heart Mother was like a movie soundtrack. 267 00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:58,517 It was meant to be the soundtrack to an epic movie that didn't exist. 268 00:24:04,097 --> 00:24:10,127 It was an interesting exercise but it doesn't hold an enormous amount of Pink Floyd development. 269 00:24:10,162 --> 00:24:13,422 Their fans disagreed. 270 00:24:13,457 --> 00:24:18,144 The record went to number one in the album chart in October 1970. 271 00:24:23,347 --> 00:24:26,702 But as the members sharpened their song-writing skills, 272 00:24:26,737 --> 00:24:31,970 strengthened their musical partnership and focused their experimental ambitions, 273 00:24:32,005 --> 00:24:35,915 they hit a creative peak on their next album, Meddle, 274 00:24:35,950 --> 00:24:37,886 with a little help from Seamus the dog. 275 00:24:37,921 --> 00:24:39,469 MUSIC: "Seamus" 276 00:25:11,627 --> 00:25:16,360 It took a while before any of us turned up songs we thought were good. 277 00:25:16,395 --> 00:25:18,482 I suppose our confidence to move 278 00:25:18,517 --> 00:25:25,218 slightly away from being quite so out there, came with time. 279 00:25:26,207 --> 00:25:29,062 MUSIC: "One Of These Days" 280 00:25:42,797 --> 00:25:46,688 The Floyd had fathered British prog rock and unwittingly, 281 00:25:46,723 --> 00:25:48,672 its self-indulgent excesses. 282 00:25:48,707 --> 00:25:52,982 But they showed exactly how it should be done with Echoes - 283 00:25:53,017 --> 00:25:58,410 a 23-minute track that made up the entire second side of the Meddle album. 284 00:25:59,527 --> 00:26:03,012 285 00:26:03,047 --> 00:26:06,094 286 00:26:06,129 --> 00:26:09,102 The whole band worked on it together. 287 00:26:09,137 --> 00:26:13,709 In labyrinths of coral caves... 288 00:26:13,744 --> 00:26:18,282 Everyone would be throwing things in, seeing what worked 289 00:26:18,317 --> 00:26:20,452 and what didn't. 290 00:26:20,487 --> 00:26:24,342 And everything... 291 00:26:24,377 --> 00:26:29,815 All encouraging each other, all getting inspired by other people's ideas. 292 00:26:29,850 --> 00:26:31,968 It was a really collective piece of music. 293 00:26:35,807 --> 00:26:37,092 I think we found our feet. 294 00:26:37,127 --> 00:26:41,302 I think we found we can do this without Syd. 295 00:26:41,337 --> 00:26:44,300 MUSIC: "Echoes" 296 00:26:50,627 --> 00:26:55,838 Roger would be driving it more than anyone else, in its dynamic range. 297 00:27:00,237 --> 00:27:07,177 All of that work, everything we did there I look upon as serving our apprenticeship, 298 00:27:07,212 --> 00:27:11,212 before we could actually say, "Right, now we're ready. 299 00:27:11,247 --> 00:27:13,829 "Put on your apron, we're gonna make Dark Side Of The Moon." 300 00:27:19,827 --> 00:27:24,662 We'd learned how to use our chisels. And we'll do it properly this time. 301 00:27:26,057 --> 00:27:29,584 MUSIC: "Money" 302 00:27:35,157 --> 00:27:37,967 In 1973 the Floyd returned to the moon - 303 00:27:38,002 --> 00:27:40,777 but this time to its dark side. 304 00:27:40,812 --> 00:27:42,979 305 00:27:43,014 --> 00:27:45,146 306 00:27:46,687 --> 00:27:48,622 307 00:27:48,657 --> 00:27:53,583 Times had changed. Sixties optimism had given way to the troubled Seventies. 308 00:27:56,107 --> 00:28:00,749 This was a world in eclipse, materialistic and authoritarian. 309 00:28:00,784 --> 00:28:04,092 'Anything is possible' had become 'nothing is possible'. 310 00:28:04,127 --> 00:28:09,520 Roger Waters' lyrics spat back at a world now peopled by us and them. 311 00:28:11,207 --> 00:28:16,645 The record sold millions and gave them their first number one album in the States. 312 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,212 They had become conflated, in my mind 313 00:28:20,247 --> 00:28:24,047 with this thing which I really thought was the death of music, 314 00:28:24,082 --> 00:28:27,426 prog rock and stuff like that. 315 00:28:27,461 --> 00:28:29,529 It was over-considered, 316 00:28:29,564 --> 00:28:31,598 middle class, intellectual, 317 00:28:31,633 --> 00:28:35,492 English stuff. 318 00:28:35,527 --> 00:28:38,922 I didn't have it, uniquely amongst the planet, I have to say. 319 00:28:38,957 --> 00:28:44,065 But it's only much later I realised the scale of their achievement. 320 00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:48,482 What it is is a great record. That's what it is. 321 00:28:48,517 --> 00:28:54,558 It's absolutely one of the cardinal pillars of rock'n'roll, in my view, now. 322 00:28:54,593 --> 00:28:57,617 MUSIC: "Us And Them" 323 00:29:02,297 --> 00:29:08,020 I certainly knew, as we were making this album, that something magical is happening. 324 00:29:16,547 --> 00:29:19,744 I remember sitting at the final listening... 325 00:29:19,779 --> 00:29:22,035 all of us saying, "That is good... 326 00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:25,335 "That is very good." 327 00:29:25,370 --> 00:29:28,601 MUSIC: "On The Run" 328 00:29:32,627 --> 00:29:37,314 One of the elements that made it so successful was that the bloody record company 329 00:29:37,349 --> 00:29:40,092 pulled their finger out and got on with it. 330 00:29:40,127 --> 00:29:45,432 That initial surge and that number one in America was very important. 331 00:29:45,467 --> 00:29:51,383 It was certainly, apart from the obviously talented drumming on it, was to do with the record company 332 00:29:51,418 --> 00:29:53,592 doing their job. 333 00:29:53,627 --> 00:29:58,882 This album just shot up 334 00:29:58,917 --> 00:30:04,366 and was so enormous, we leapt into a different stratosphere. 335 00:30:04,401 --> 00:30:08,214 Part of you wants it. You want that success. 336 00:30:08,249 --> 00:30:10,092 You love it, you know. 337 00:30:10,127 --> 00:30:13,881 You want people to love you or to pretend they love you. 338 00:30:13,916 --> 00:30:16,092 It's a drug. 339 00:30:16,127 --> 00:30:21,190 Dark Side represents not only the band's biggest commercial hit, 340 00:30:21,225 --> 00:30:24,342 but also their most successful artistic collaboration. 341 00:30:24,377 --> 00:30:29,667 Four men, one band - it would never be quite the same again. 342 00:30:30,237 --> 00:30:33,889 Are there some difficult moments? Yes. How do you get round them? 343 00:30:33,924 --> 00:30:35,772 We pretend they're not there. 344 00:30:35,807 --> 00:30:40,779 We certainly don't face up to them in an adult way, if that's what you mean. 345 00:30:40,814 --> 00:30:44,395 We understand each other very well, we're very tolerant of each other. 346 00:30:44,430 --> 00:30:46,742 But a lot of things are unsaid as well. 347 00:30:46,777 --> 00:30:50,531 We're all from the British aristocracy, with the exception of David Gilmour. 348 00:30:50,566 --> 00:30:54,935 And all our mothers are countesses in England. Dukes and duchesses... 349 00:30:54,970 --> 00:30:59,305 I mean, obviously they're a gang of idiots but live and let live. 350 00:31:01,967 --> 00:31:07,314 In America a record executive puffed on his cigar and asked the group, 351 00:31:07,349 --> 00:31:09,616 "Oh, by the way, which one's Pink?" 352 00:31:11,527 --> 00:31:14,172 Roger had, by this time, become the lyricist. 353 00:31:14,207 --> 00:31:21,572 And it really was team work because David and me would write music, 354 00:31:21,607 --> 00:31:28,786 Roger would go home and write some lyrics and come back. That was how the writing was working then. 355 00:31:33,377 --> 00:31:36,342 MUSIC: "Brain Damage" 356 00:31:36,377 --> 00:31:39,847 357 00:31:44,577 --> 00:31:49,173 But this Pink Floyd seemed regretful and sometimes angry. 358 00:31:49,777 --> 00:31:54,191 This wasn't pop music as we'd known it but a new and surprisingly 359 00:31:54,226 --> 00:31:57,145 commercial strain of English melancholy. 360 00:31:59,487 --> 00:32:02,067 If I'm at home and I go on the piano, 361 00:32:02,102 --> 00:32:04,602 it's all very melancholic, what I play. 362 00:32:04,637 --> 00:32:08,528 I keep saying to myself I have to get out of this, 363 00:32:08,563 --> 00:32:11,434 do something more upbeat. 364 00:32:11,469 --> 00:32:14,219 David's melancholic too, 365 00:32:14,254 --> 00:32:16,932 in his guitar playing. 366 00:32:16,967 --> 00:32:22,690 Against Roger's rather flowery and political and angry lyrics. It's quite an interesting combination. 367 00:32:22,725 --> 00:32:27,283 People naturally experience unease 368 00:32:27,318 --> 00:32:29,822 about all of this. 369 00:32:29,857 --> 00:32:39,141 I think most human beings experience and think, "Well, on the surface all of this seems to be working, 370 00:32:39,176 --> 00:32:42,197 "but it just doesn't sit right with me." 371 00:32:43,777 --> 00:32:45,762 That's why people attach to it. 372 00:32:45,797 --> 00:32:51,611 They're attached to this work because there's a sense of relief, even if it's melancholic, 373 00:32:51,646 --> 00:32:54,417 when you go, "Oh, my God, somebody else gets it too. 374 00:32:54,452 --> 00:32:56,962 "Somebody else feels this sense of unease." 375 00:32:56,997 --> 00:33:03,004 It's Roger's phrase "quiet desperation", isn't that what he says, "it's the English way"? 376 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:04,783 Something like that. 377 00:33:07,167 --> 00:33:11,227 Dave is quintessentially English. 378 00:33:11,262 --> 00:33:15,242 There's a reserve. And it's hard... 379 00:33:15,277 --> 00:33:18,713 to break out of it. So he doesn't. He just plays it. 380 00:33:45,747 --> 00:33:49,596 The daunting task of following Dark Side Of The Moon 381 00:33:49,631 --> 00:33:53,402 was finally clinched back at Abbey Road Studios in 1975. 382 00:33:53,437 --> 00:33:59,774 The spectre of Syd Barrett was celebrated, if not fully laid to rest, on what would become 383 00:33:59,809 --> 00:34:03,146 their second most successful album, Wish You Were Here. 384 00:34:05,957 --> 00:34:11,725 They paid tribute to their mercurial founder in an emotionally charged anthem 385 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,177 that would become an essential part of any Pink Floyd concert. 386 00:34:16,212 --> 00:34:18,146 387 00:34:20,807 --> 00:34:23,355 388 00:34:24,987 --> 00:34:30,937 389 00:34:34,777 --> 00:34:38,304 390 00:34:40,267 --> 00:34:43,498 391 00:34:44,957 --> 00:34:46,842 392 00:34:46,877 --> 00:34:51,428 393 00:34:53,627 --> 00:34:57,097 394 00:34:57,132 --> 00:34:59,924 395 00:34:59,959 --> 00:35:02,717 396 00:35:04,307 --> 00:35:06,748 397 00:35:06,783 --> 00:35:09,139 398 00:35:09,174 --> 00:35:11,809 399 00:35:11,844 --> 00:35:14,445 400 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,917 401 00:35:21,277 --> 00:35:24,242 The way in which Syd left 402 00:35:24,277 --> 00:35:29,098 and their consistent determination to link themselves to Syd, 403 00:35:29,133 --> 00:35:33,919 to talk about him, to sing about him, write songs about him 404 00:35:33,954 --> 00:35:36,272 I think it's been good karma for them. 405 00:35:38,797 --> 00:35:41,152 He's there because we all know that 406 00:35:41,187 --> 00:35:45,783 the band wouldn't have existed without him kicking it off. 407 00:35:47,097 --> 00:35:51,693 I think we also felt that, having dropped him out of the band, 408 00:35:51,728 --> 00:35:54,182 perhaps we have a bit of guilt, 409 00:35:54,217 --> 00:35:58,768 of course we should've done something better for him. 410 00:36:02,997 --> 00:36:06,888 It's funny, when Syd died last year, I realised that 411 00:36:06,923 --> 00:36:11,074 by and large, I'd already done all my grieving. 412 00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:15,226 I'd done it 20 years before, I'd been doing it. 413 00:36:17,937 --> 00:36:20,962 The Floyd had always been a multimedia band 414 00:36:20,997 --> 00:36:25,161 but the innocent DIY days of the late Sixties were long gone. 415 00:36:25,196 --> 00:36:28,732 The band now commanded huge stadiums 416 00:36:28,767 --> 00:36:35,286 and pioneered a form of rock theatre that amazed and delighted their ever-expanding audience. 417 00:36:35,321 --> 00:36:39,646 But they continued to hide behind the pyrotechnics. 418 00:36:42,777 --> 00:36:45,512 We don't exist, we're just a brand. Here we are. 419 00:36:45,547 --> 00:36:49,768 Don't put any lights on us, be distracted by these fucking flying pigs and aeroplanes. 420 00:36:49,803 --> 00:36:53,465 Just keep away from us, you're not getting near us. 421 00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:57,128 Our cosy rapport with the audience that were there, 422 00:36:57,163 --> 00:36:59,622 entirely for us, and would be quiet. 423 00:36:59,657 --> 00:37:02,852 In the quiet bits you could hear a pin drop. 424 00:37:02,887 --> 00:37:08,202 That whole thing where we felt at one with our audience changed rather. 425 00:37:08,237 --> 00:37:13,061 Rather than focusing on the individuals, what did they want to focus on? The music. 426 00:37:13,096 --> 00:37:16,618 But how do you do that to punters without boring them? 427 00:37:16,653 --> 00:37:20,140 Quite a lot of people were playing Frisbee at the back 428 00:37:20,175 --> 00:37:23,852 and you've got to try and get them to join in. 429 00:37:23,887 --> 00:37:30,747 That's the real reason for doing big things - you want everyone to enjoy the show. 430 00:37:30,782 --> 00:37:36,460 It's impossible to think or imagine that in every largish town 431 00:37:36,495 --> 00:37:40,917 there are 50, 000 people who know and love your music. 432 00:37:40,952 --> 00:37:44,102 It's just not realistic to believe that. 433 00:37:44,137 --> 00:37:50,667 Dave particularly was very against doing anything. "Why can't we just stand on stage and play the songs?" 434 00:37:50,702 --> 00:37:54,923 "It'll be boring." 435 00:37:58,767 --> 00:38:03,784 Waters, the most organised, motivated and ambitious member of the group, pushed ahead 436 00:38:03,819 --> 00:38:07,065 planning every higher concepts and bigger extravaganzas, 437 00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:11,471 making pigs fly and Pink Floyd THE show in town. 438 00:38:14,237 --> 00:38:18,462 But his increasing disgust with society and authority 439 00:38:18,497 --> 00:38:23,118 now put him and the band in conflict with the very audiences that flocked 440 00:38:23,153 --> 00:38:27,739 to their stadium shows, which were becoming an increasingly empty spectacle. 441 00:38:27,774 --> 00:38:32,952 442 00:38:32,987 --> 00:38:37,777 You know, that was a lot of show, that Animals was really a big show. 443 00:38:37,812 --> 00:38:41,073 I became rather disenchanted with it. 444 00:38:41,108 --> 00:38:44,292 And thought that too much was lost. 445 00:38:44,327 --> 00:38:49,208 What was gained from having a large congregation of people communing together 446 00:38:49,243 --> 00:38:51,562 which is what a stadium at its best is, 447 00:38:51,597 --> 00:38:58,059 was being lost in a watering down of the way the message got across to the audience. 448 00:38:58,094 --> 00:39:02,244 I thought it was inhuman and only about money. 449 00:39:02,279 --> 00:39:05,432 450 00:39:05,467 --> 00:39:10,732 On the 1977 Animals tour, Waters himself conceded defeat by stadium, 451 00:39:10,767 --> 00:39:16,490 when he spat, like an older, angrier Johnny Rotten at a member of the audience. 452 00:39:16,525 --> 00:39:20,152 453 00:39:20,187 --> 00:39:24,792 One of the very irritating things about being 454 00:39:24,827 --> 00:39:30,697 post-show is, when it's been a bad one, and someone says, 455 00:39:30,732 --> 00:39:32,522 "That was fucking great." 456 00:39:32,557 --> 00:39:37,494 You resent them. You think, "What the fuck do you know? 457 00:39:37,529 --> 00:39:39,092 "It was crap." 458 00:39:39,127 --> 00:39:44,342 459 00:39:44,377 --> 00:39:51,169 Waters' personal response to the Animals incident and the dead-end of the stadium experience 460 00:39:51,204 --> 00:39:53,812 was to make physical and mental barriers, 461 00:39:53,847 --> 00:39:58,113 and his sense of alienation the subject of the Floyd's next project. 462 00:39:58,148 --> 00:40:02,612 He would rewrite the book of rock theatre on The Wall. 463 00:40:04,207 --> 00:40:07,017 If you show yourself, it's a risk. 464 00:40:07,052 --> 00:40:09,792 You take the risk of being rejected. 465 00:40:09,827 --> 00:40:13,452 If you have pretensions to being an artist of any kind, 466 00:40:13,487 --> 00:40:18,743 you have to take the risk of people rejecting you, thinking you're an arsehole. 467 00:40:18,778 --> 00:40:24,652 "That's crap." So, you may think it is, but it's me. 468 00:40:24,687 --> 00:40:30,222 a... nother brick in the wall... 469 00:40:30,257 --> 00:40:35,712 Waters approached The Wall as a one-man construction crew. 470 00:40:35,747 --> 00:40:40,252 But his determined vision and combative leadership marginalised the other members. 471 00:40:40,287 --> 00:40:46,447 My confidence in my own lyric writing has not always been that high. 472 00:40:46,482 --> 00:40:49,907 And Roger showed a very strong desire to be the lyricist. 473 00:40:49,942 --> 00:40:54,219 We all... lazily allowed that to happen. 474 00:40:56,327 --> 00:41:00,172 I didn't have any material to offer and David didn't really, either. 475 00:41:00,207 --> 00:41:05,022 And Roger had begun to think, "I'm the writer of this band. 476 00:41:05,057 --> 00:41:09,837 "And I don't want anyone else to write. I'm going to become..." 477 00:41:09,872 --> 00:41:12,232 It was the start of that whole thing. 478 00:41:12,267 --> 00:41:18,740 So, I'm to blame for not having anything and he's to blame for not encouraging anything to come. 479 00:41:18,775 --> 00:41:24,277 "Oh, he wouldn't let us write." What?! That's just so stupid. 480 00:41:24,312 --> 00:41:28,249 I'm desperate for people to write, always, 481 00:41:28,284 --> 00:41:30,092 always, always, always. 482 00:41:30,127 --> 00:41:33,792 483 00:41:33,827 --> 00:41:37,672 The fact is Roger arrived with The Wall more or less pre-written. 484 00:41:37,707 --> 00:41:40,966 That was a hell of a different thing to Dark Side. 485 00:41:42,407 --> 00:41:44,853 486 00:41:49,577 --> 00:41:58,394 Now the indisputable leader of the band, Waters, frustrated by a lack of support, 487 00:41:58,429 --> 00:42:00,322 keyboard player, Rick Wright. 488 00:42:00,357 --> 00:42:03,975 Our personal relationship broke down completely by The Wall. 489 00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:06,092 That's when I left. 490 00:42:06,127 --> 00:42:10,302 But, the interesting thing is, when I was asked to leave, I said, 491 00:42:10,337 --> 00:42:14,622 "I will but I want to finish this and I want to play live, 492 00:42:14,657 --> 00:42:18,605 "play the performances." And Roger was totally happy for me to play. 493 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,646 I think the personality clash had a lot to do with it. 494 00:42:21,681 --> 00:42:28,247 And his... his belief that he was the band... 495 00:42:32,417 --> 00:42:37,719 And that the other musicians... The story goes that Nick was the next one to be thrown out by him. 496 00:42:39,127 --> 00:42:44,190 We'd reached the point where Roger questioned why he was working with these other people, 497 00:42:44,225 --> 00:42:48,498 who he felt were not really helping him do what he wanted to do. 498 00:42:48,533 --> 00:42:52,771 In fact they were criticising him, "That's not quite right, Roger." 499 00:43:01,157 --> 00:43:03,227 Regime change was in the air. 500 00:43:06,497 --> 00:43:10,438 My musical taste and abilities 501 00:43:10,473 --> 00:43:13,761 had just as much, if not more, 502 00:43:13,796 --> 00:43:17,012 to do with it all than Roger's. 503 00:43:17,047 --> 00:43:25,022 And if I allowed this dictatorship to become real and total, 504 00:43:25,057 --> 00:43:28,492 then our music would suffer. 505 00:43:28,527 --> 00:43:32,636 Because I didn't think, still don't, 506 00:43:32,671 --> 00:43:36,745 that is really Roger's main forte. 507 00:43:38,237 --> 00:43:43,043 When I was that very young guy in that band all those years ago 508 00:43:43,078 --> 00:43:47,812 I would stand in the corner, smoke cigarettes endlessly and snarl. 509 00:43:47,847 --> 00:43:53,240 I'm not as reactionary in the literal sense, as I was when I was as a young man. 510 00:43:53,275 --> 00:43:58,630 I don't immediately feel I've got to, you know, 511 00:43:58,665 --> 00:44:01,721 hurt you before you hurt me. 512 00:44:07,667 --> 00:44:11,331 The band made one more record together, The Final Cut. 513 00:44:11,366 --> 00:44:14,952 But in most respects it was a solo album from Waters. 514 00:44:14,987 --> 00:44:20,527 Soon after, he informed their record company that he was leaving, 515 00:44:20,562 --> 00:44:23,748 and declared that Pink Floyd was no more. 516 00:44:23,783 --> 00:44:27,193 517 00:44:27,228 --> 00:44:30,562 518 00:44:30,597 --> 00:44:35,902 what you want them to... 519 00:44:35,937 --> 00:44:40,249 This was something David Gilmour in particular refused to accept. 520 00:44:47,417 --> 00:44:51,922 I think he was very surprised when David and Nick said "OK, 521 00:44:51,957 --> 00:44:56,417 "you can leave the band, fine." He didn't expect them to say, 522 00:44:56,452 --> 00:45:00,877 "Now we'll make a Pink Floyd album, go on tour without you." 523 00:45:05,237 --> 00:45:10,061 It seemed important to me to just get on and do the best you can do. 524 00:45:10,096 --> 00:45:12,562 And... you know, 525 00:45:12,597 --> 00:45:15,092 Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd had been one Pink Floyd. 526 00:45:15,127 --> 00:45:22,636 The Pink Floyd with the four of us, Roger, Rick, Nick and I, had been another one. 527 00:45:22,671 --> 00:45:25,812 And this would be another version. 528 00:45:27,637 --> 00:45:29,292 That, I think, shocked him a bit. 529 00:45:29,327 --> 00:45:31,732 Well, not shocked him... and made him angry. 530 00:45:31,767 --> 00:45:35,055 Well, we know it made him angry because he tried to stop it. 531 00:45:36,457 --> 00:45:42,882 The argument was me, rather pompously, and I admit now, erroneously, 532 00:45:42,917 --> 00:45:52,497 suggesting that because I wasn't in the band any more that the brand and band name should be retired. 533 00:45:53,937 --> 00:45:57,134 So, it wasn't up to me. 534 00:45:58,347 --> 00:46:05,196 Well, it's a battle about using a name. It's a name that all of us had spent our adult lives working on, 535 00:46:05,231 --> 00:46:11,057 as anonymous as we all have been throughout that Pink Floyd history. 536 00:46:11,092 --> 00:46:13,883 I mean, after all, who's Nick Mason? 537 00:46:13,918 --> 00:46:16,674 He's the drummer with Pink Floyd. 538 00:46:16,709 --> 00:46:18,982 Um... 539 00:46:19,017 --> 00:46:21,042 Who's Rick? He's the keyboard player. 540 00:46:21,077 --> 00:46:25,673 Who's Roger? Oh, he's the guy who was in the Pink Floyd. 541 00:46:25,708 --> 00:46:27,842 You know... 542 00:46:27,877 --> 00:46:30,852 That's who they are. 543 00:46:30,887 --> 00:46:33,792 MUSIC: "Learning To Fly" 544 00:46:33,827 --> 00:46:38,855 Spurred into action, Gilmour wrote and recorded a new Floyd album, 545 00:46:38,890 --> 00:46:42,768 A Momentary Lapse Of Reason, with new collaborators. 546 00:46:42,803 --> 00:46:46,602 Released in 1987, it went on to sell 9 million copies. 547 00:46:46,637 --> 00:46:53,884 And encouraged Gilmour to tour the Floyd with Rick Wright and Nick Mason fully reinstated. 548 00:46:53,919 --> 00:46:59,232 A ribbon of black 549 00:46:59,267 --> 00:47:03,328 of no turning back 550 00:47:04,607 --> 00:47:07,702 551 00:47:07,737 --> 00:47:11,255 When the band played live in Venice in July 1989, 552 00:47:11,290 --> 00:47:14,732 the televised event was watched around the globe. 553 00:47:14,767 --> 00:47:18,806 Pink Floyd were back, bigger than ever and with a new leader. 554 00:47:18,841 --> 00:47:21,430 555 00:47:21,465 --> 00:47:23,982 556 00:47:24,017 --> 00:47:28,092 557 00:47:28,127 --> 00:47:32,200 the circling sky 558 00:47:32,235 --> 00:47:35,592 559 00:47:35,627 --> 00:47:39,302 560 00:47:50,577 --> 00:47:54,122 561 00:47:54,157 --> 00:47:57,786 Pink Floyd toured the world, as did a solo Roger Waters. 562 00:47:57,821 --> 00:48:01,416 He performed his version of The Wall in Berlin in 1990. 563 00:48:05,947 --> 00:48:11,396 Both played the band's most popular numbers while lawsuits and bad blood flowed between them. 564 00:48:13,917 --> 00:48:20,857 I remember one night playing in Cincinnati to about 2, 000 people in a 6, 000-seat arena. 565 00:48:20,892 --> 00:48:24,657 And they were playing to 60, 000 people in a football stadium next door. 566 00:48:24,692 --> 00:48:27,888 Playing all my songs! 567 00:48:27,923 --> 00:48:29,718 You know, but... 568 00:48:32,857 --> 00:48:36,384 Erm... it was hard to take. 569 00:48:39,747 --> 00:48:46,175 The Momentary Lapse Of Reason tour restored the confidence of both Rick Wright and Nick Mason. 570 00:48:46,210 --> 00:48:50,058 Under Gilmour's leadership the band now worked together again as a team. 571 00:48:50,093 --> 00:48:52,878 For what would be the last original Pink Floyd album. 572 00:48:52,913 --> 00:48:56,592 The Division Bell began life here in 1993 573 00:48:56,627 --> 00:49:01,553 in Gilmour's floating studio, moored at Hampton Court. 574 00:49:10,307 --> 00:49:16,780 We decided to start this one, we'd all go and jam, for a week or so. 575 00:49:16,815 --> 00:49:21,840 Just start playing together and out of that came Division Bell. 576 00:49:21,875 --> 00:49:26,774 So, it was a true Floyd writing partnership again. 577 00:49:28,737 --> 00:49:33,379 Well, that sounds to me like something that needs development but it could almost be... 578 00:49:33,414 --> 00:49:35,254 I have nothing to say. 579 00:49:39,277 --> 00:49:44,112 It was a happier Pink Floyd that continued recording The Division Bell throughout 1993. 580 00:49:44,147 --> 00:49:49,409 Happy together, but nonetheless compelled to gaze once again back into their past, 581 00:49:49,444 --> 00:49:52,035 with the closing track High Hopes. 582 00:49:54,087 --> 00:49:57,557 583 00:50:01,077 --> 00:50:04,035 584 00:50:07,917 --> 00:50:10,226 585 00:50:13,497 --> 00:50:15,840 586 00:50:20,107 --> 00:50:23,725 587 00:50:26,107 --> 00:50:29,998 When you hink about how many different versions, 588 00:50:30,033 --> 00:50:33,387 different lead songwriters they've had. 589 00:50:33,422 --> 00:50:36,992 And yet... 590 00:50:37,027 --> 00:50:41,732 there's something that links it all. 591 00:50:41,767 --> 00:50:46,887 Certainly they managed to make the changes evolutionary, gradual... 592 00:50:46,922 --> 00:50:52,782 and always maintaining a certain kind of sound. 593 00:51:02,057 --> 00:51:05,352 More than a decade after The Division Bell was released, 594 00:51:05,387 --> 00:51:09,538 the Pink Floyd lawsuits had subsided and the band had been put on ice, 595 00:51:09,573 --> 00:51:13,689 Bob Geldof wanted the four surviving members of the group to reunite 596 00:51:13,724 --> 00:51:16,167 as the climax of his Live 8 event. 597 00:51:17,667 --> 00:51:20,534 A task akin to making poverty history. 598 00:51:23,907 --> 00:51:27,331 He opened negotiations with David Gilmour. 599 00:51:29,197 --> 00:51:33,566 I really don't do the hard sell cos I don't want to do it to him. 600 00:51:35,717 --> 00:51:39,762 He's desperate not to do this. I can see it, he's not gonna do it. 601 00:51:39,797 --> 00:51:49,547 And I just have to say, one, no-one in Pink Floyd's world feels that you guys ever said goodbye properly. 602 00:51:49,582 --> 00:51:51,522 And that's true. 603 00:51:51,557 --> 00:51:54,526 Two, it's 20 minutes. 604 00:51:54,561 --> 00:51:57,342 It's 20 minutes. 605 00:51:57,377 --> 00:52:00,382 "Ah, we're going on tour..." Spare me. 606 00:52:00,417 --> 00:52:06,561 Don't tell me that the Pink Floyd getting back together again will not seize 607 00:52:06,596 --> 00:52:11,494 the entire... That's the thing that makes this totally different. 608 00:52:13,917 --> 00:52:15,992 Gilmour said no. 609 00:52:16,027 --> 00:52:20,771 So, Geldof contacted Waters who called Gilmour, 610 00:52:20,806 --> 00:52:23,212 who called Geldof and so on. 611 00:52:23,247 --> 00:52:26,452 Eventually the four men buried the axe 612 00:52:26,487 --> 00:52:31,368 and agreed to play together just one more time as Pink Floyd. 613 00:52:35,107 --> 00:52:40,081 We had a meeting with Roger and he wanted to do other songs. 614 00:52:40,116 --> 00:52:45,012 Basically David said, "Look, they've asked Pink Floyd to play. 615 00:52:45,047 --> 00:52:50,496 "We're Pink Floyd so we're gonna do these songs, and if you'd like to play with us, that'd be great." 616 00:52:50,531 --> 00:52:52,924 So he was very humble, actually. 617 00:52:52,959 --> 00:52:55,317 He knew that, he realised that. 618 00:52:55,352 --> 00:52:57,152 But he loved it. 619 00:52:57,187 --> 00:53:01,792 620 00:53:01,827 --> 00:53:08,022 The dream is gone... 621 00:53:08,057 --> 00:53:12,050 To me, it was also very good to get back onto speaking terms, 622 00:53:12,085 --> 00:53:15,699 after all the bickering with Roger over the years, 623 00:53:15,734 --> 00:53:20,302 and us to maybe grow up a little bit... 624 00:53:20,337 --> 00:53:28,176 Become adult human beings in some sort of reasonable relationship... 625 00:53:28,211 --> 00:53:30,283 For that moment. 626 00:53:37,307 --> 00:53:38,822 Mummy! One... 627 00:53:38,857 --> 00:53:42,432 It was, er... it was terrific. 628 00:53:42,467 --> 00:53:48,565 From the playing point of view, it was really easy and really nice, 629 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,152 and fun to play together. 630 00:53:51,187 --> 00:53:56,204 For me playing with Roger... the relationship between the bass player and the drummer is special, 631 00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:02,670 you just intuitively know which mistakes we're gonna make next. 632 00:54:06,047 --> 00:54:10,551 Great to have Roger standing next to me... playing the bass. 633 00:54:10,586 --> 00:54:15,055 It did bring back memories, and a little bit of emotion. 634 00:54:19,077 --> 00:54:23,492 I think it's great that happened. I really think it was great. 635 00:54:23,527 --> 00:54:28,322 If that's the only time we get to draw a line under it, well, so be it. 636 00:54:28,357 --> 00:54:33,385 I'd like to do more of it. I thought it was really cool. It was very interesting, musically 637 00:54:33,420 --> 00:54:35,914 and emotionally and philosophically. 638 00:54:41,997 --> 00:54:48,197 This vast, numberless constituency gathered about because these four men said, 639 00:54:48,232 --> 00:54:52,590 "Enough's enough, this single thing is important enough to put aside 640 00:54:52,625 --> 00:54:56,808 "these pathetic misgivings of the past." 641 00:55:08,337 --> 00:55:11,909 There was nothing more potent or symbolic on that night than 642 00:55:11,944 --> 00:55:15,934 these four old geezers 643 00:55:15,969 --> 00:55:19,882 playing... so beautifully, 644 00:55:19,917 --> 00:55:23,249 laying their own ghosts to rest, 645 00:55:23,284 --> 00:55:26,542 and the thing is, it worked. 646 00:55:26,577 --> 00:55:28,742 There are 20 million children in school, 647 00:55:28,777 --> 00:55:34,226 now - cos of what went on all during that week. 648 00:55:34,261 --> 00:55:38,551 And emblematic of that week, 649 00:55:38,586 --> 00:55:42,802 was this signature group 650 00:55:42,837 --> 00:55:46,227 and this great moment in their lives. 651 00:55:46,262 --> 00:55:48,947 I think. 652 00:55:51,887 --> 00:55:54,799 The body language was funny... 653 00:55:57,987 --> 00:56:01,042 Roger seemed, "Yeah, I'm back!" 654 00:56:01,077 --> 00:56:04,171 Sort of very pleased. And the others were kind of... 655 00:56:04,206 --> 00:56:07,364 like that a bit. 656 00:56:24,277 --> 00:56:27,804 We were a family, you know, and we went through a divorce. 657 00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:31,688 A marriage and we went through a divorce. And erm... 658 00:56:33,837 --> 00:56:36,658 I don't know who divorced who, but anyway... 659 00:56:36,693 --> 00:56:40,081 It didn't feel like a family. 660 00:56:43,917 --> 00:56:47,957 There are connections I feel with my mother and my brother 661 00:56:47,992 --> 00:56:51,952 that I don't feel for anybody that I was in Pink Floyd with. 662 00:56:51,987 --> 00:56:56,777 It's very like a family. You get sick of each other, the way you do in families. 663 00:56:56,812 --> 00:56:58,932 And you get this wonderful honesty... 664 00:56:58,967 --> 00:57:06,476 you know, shouting at people, telling them how useless they are and what they've done wrong. 665 00:57:06,511 --> 00:57:10,042 It's a bit like the Munsters, if you know what I mean. 666 00:57:10,077 --> 00:57:14,352 Well, there it is. You can pass your verdict as well as I can. 667 00:57:14,387 --> 00:57:20,667 My verdict is that it is a regression to childhood but after all, why not? 668 00:57:20,702 --> 00:57:23,670 MUSIC: "Eclipse" 669 00:58:05,107 --> 00:58:08,065 I would love to go out and play Floyd music again. 670 00:58:10,077 --> 00:58:15,140 Stubborn isn't the word, talking about leading a horse to water but you can't make it drink. 671 00:58:15,175 --> 00:58:17,632 Well, these horses can't even be led to the water. 672 00:58:17,667 --> 00:58:22,275 I don't think it will happen but I think... Well, you can ask Dave when you speak to him. 673 00:58:22,310 --> 00:58:25,077 I think it happens. 674 00:58:26,057 --> 00:58:28,732 675 00:58:28,767 --> 00:58:31,372 676 00:58:31,407 --> 00:58:37,951 is in tune 677 00:58:37,986 --> 00:58:44,495 by the moon.